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 Sujet du message : Re: 23th May: Lucyan's Classes
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nervous.one, I just think that it's highly hypocritical to allow cards that are banned in Global to be used in a trophy-specific room, where fairplay tends to be even worse.

It brings out the worst in each player.
That, is Feerik's fault.

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 Sujet du message : Re: 23th May: Lucyan's Classes
Message Publié : 26 Mai 2013, 19:16 
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shouldn't exist, anyone that uses it is a coward and a bad sport, especially in conjunction with recycle cards like Void and Scheme. It's essentially saying: I know you put alot of effort into your deck, and hell, you beat me, but I'm going to rob you of crystals/xp and W/L because I don't want to lose.
Althing users are usually the people that would leave games to prevent perfects, I've had people leave after / resolves after Althing. Leaving...when...the...game...is...already...over...-throws keyboard-

Anyone who doesnt use the best cards available to them is a fool. End of story. If you want these cards to be banned that is one thing, but chastising players (and frankly opening insulting them) for playing within the rules is ridiculous.

You should be ashamed of yourself as far as I'm concerned. Althing is not a bug that is being exploited. It is part of the game. You may not like it, but dont belittle players who dont mind playing that game. It sounds like you want to be playing a different game.

My job as your opponent is not to babysit you and ensure you have a good time. My job is to defeat you within the rules of the game. If you want to form a casual group with certain players and play with house rules, FINE, but you cant make house rules and expect everyone else to play by YOUR rules. That is narcissistic ego-centric bulls**t.


Althing exists, and it's BANNED from competitive play for a reason. When it comes down to it, everyone who's used althing against me has left after it fails. Do I rage at losing to Althing when I encounter one? NO. Why? Because the only time I've lost to Althing was with Admiral Killcrew and BOSSES. I'm sickened by people who use it because they then continue to have bad sportsmanship by LEAVING when it fails.
And I suppose with your rage at me, you also support Black witch, Shulong, Kaes the Malevolent etc etc in the event/PvP rooms?
If something is too imbalanced to work in competitive play, letting it into events, ESPECIALLY when the event consists of killing X number of characters is a faux paus.

But it's all good. I just don't want to see any complaints if/when I finish my Courtier deck. (Lightning pirates:Dead, Master mage pilk:Dead, Nehantic blast:Dead, Deck completion? 80%)

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 Sujet du message : Re: 23th May: Lucyan's Classes
Message Publié : 26 Mai 2013, 21:49 
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But it's all good. I just don't want to see any complaints if/when I finish my Courtier deck. (Lightning pirates:Dead, Master mage pilk:Dead, Nehantic blast:Dead, Deck completion? 80%)

Just curious what cards do a nehantic blast deck have?

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 Sujet du message : Re: 23th May: Lucyan's Classes
Message Publié : 27 Mai 2013, 00:14 
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nervous.one, I just think that it's highly hypocritical to allow cards that are banned in Global to be used in a trophy-specific room, where fairplay tends to be even worse.

It brings out the worst in each player.
That, is Feerik's fault.

I agree, and believe that to be a valid viewpoint.

However, Schrei was criticizing players who were not breaking the rules, not feerik, the one who actually has control over the permissible scope of cards in the room. That is uncalled for. Whether feerik should have allowed or not allowed the althing in the event room is an open debate. Whether players who use it when it is allowed are "cowards" (his words) is not.

This is a competitive game. You cannot fault players for playing within the boundaries of the rules.


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 Sujet du message : Re: 23th May: Lucyan's Classes
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the althing is a broken card having it in the deck completely rigs the game.
having it in a tier 2 deck makes it a good match up against most tier 1 deck.
It is such a huge advantage that it should'nt even be playbale.
The althing has nothing to do with competitive ranking.
If both deck have the althing, the first one to draw it wins...
For slow decks which can play it more than once, this card is just a no match. It is the only card that allows a 100% win deck...

You should never encourage people to play this card. It should be nerfed A ban is not a solution for this kind of card. Too many people own it, there is no other viable solution.
And when I say nerfed, I mean completely changed. Revival shouldn't be playable by any decks, and never more than once.

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 Sujet du message : Re: 23th May: Lucyan's Classes
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nervous.one a écrit :
I agree, and believe that to be a valid viewpoint.

However, Schrei was criticizing players who were not breaking the rules, not feerik, the one who actually has control over the permissible scope of cards in the room. That is uncalled for. Whether feerik should have allowed or not allowed the althing in the event room is an open debate. Whether players who use it when it is allowed are "cowards" (his words) is not.

This is a competitive game. You cannot fault players for playing within the boundaries of the rules.


By that logic, if they made a card that when played won you game no matter what, we couldn't complain about the 'cowards' that played it.

Also if you want competitive game, the tourny rooms are over there thank you very much. In the rooms that have no rules, there's no rules that say I can't complain about you using certain cards and decks. More so in events.

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 Sujet du message : Re: 23th May: Lucyan's Classes
Message Publié : 27 Mai 2013, 01:20 
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This game is run by a company, the object of a company is to make money, in most of the other events, obtaining anything was ridiculous(Like getting stuck on a guild for Xeenilk, having obscure riddles for Scragh etc)
All of the event cards either demanded unworldly time sinks or money, this one is the first actual feasible one. There are probably only a handful of people that have earned Mythical cards without spending anything.
This game isn't f2p, and isn't maintained by charity.
I'd prefer an event that actually does give everyone a chance at something with cards like these than an event that hates you(like Xeenilk's)
F2P people can't really complain about what they get, because there are that many more who've payed and have had crappy, crappy luck(Myself included)

The point is, the event IS accessible by practically anyone, and CAN give you cards if you have the time.

Edit: Everyone who got the free ice elf deck should do fine with the warrior quests.


Sorry for the late answer.
But that is no argument, feerik earning money is their motivations. And the point of discussion is not if they need to earn money, but how they do that.
And event where a significant amount of people react to with "see you in a week", an event that is a huge chore to even get something out of for people who already have the cards to do it, and especially an event that is simply an unfun, long, random grind is IMHO not a good event.
And when money is made at the cost of game quality, by basically making the non-paying option prohibitively unfun, I dislike that.
Because what I am interested in is a a good, fun and entertaining game.
And I have no issue to spend money on such a product.

But when those qualities I'm looking for are sacrificed to "encourage" me to spend money, that results in the opposite.

And also, all the ads, and most entries on indexing webpages claim eredan as "Free to play", something I'm certain was even advertised on the main eredan site before the last redesign and something that got me to take a look at this game.
So yes, Eredan is f2p, as bad as it is at that.

If they want a pay-only event, do it like the last autumn tournament, where most of the banners were only available via boosters, or do another Temujin where people need to pay 30 bucks to get the card (and artbook). That is obvious and upfront.
But an event that is basically made to be as unfun as possible wont result in more money, but in people taking a break from the game and therefore less money.

I find that worrying, on the one hand because I like fun events and want the rewards without constantly having to get my credit card out to get anything, and on the other hand because it's long-term damaging the game.
Every spender has to be replaced. And you might remember the statistics on the old background screen of eredan. New players that endure aren't too common.
And events like these literally tell them to go away.

As such, yes I want feerik to earn money, but not only today and not by ruining their game, which they slowly are doing.


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Edit: Everyone who got the free ice elf deck should do fine with the warrior quests.


Okay I just noticed this part, and must address it;

HAAAAAAAAAAA HAHAHAHAAHAHAH!!!


Whew that's a good one. Oh wait, part of me thinks you might actually mean this statement. I would love to know how the ice elf deck can 'be fine with the warrior quests'.

Quest 1) Good luck. Berserkers Ice Elves decks are sup-par compared to just about any other deck, even compared to other merc decks. You had better hope a low level player bumps into you.

Quest 2) Berserkers do not have a lot of defensive cards, no where near the amount that Kobota Warriors and Dragon Knights have.

Quest 3) This one is a bit of a toss up. But given that Berserkers aren't that good, once again you better hope for a weak foe.

Quest 4) They are not item reliant nor do they have a lot of items just for them.

Free deck yes, but it's not the 'just fine' for the quests. Hell I'm surprised they even let Berserkers into this event.

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anyone else havign a problem with players timing out on them when things aren't going their way?


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Edit: Everyone who got the free ice elf deck should do fine with the warrior quests.


Okay I just noticed this part, and must address it;

HAAAAAAAAAAA HAHAHAHAAHAHAH!!!


Whew that's a good one. Oh wait, part of me thinks you might actually mean this statement. I would love to know how the ice elf deck can 'be fine with the warrior quests'.

Quest 1) Good luck. Berserkers Ice Elves decks are sup-par compared to just about any other deck, even compared to other merc decks. You had better hope a low level player bumps into you.

Quest 2) Berserkers do not have a lot of defensive cards, no where near the amount that Kobota Warriors and Dragon Knights have.

Quest 3) This one is a bit of a toss up. But given that Berserkers aren't that good, once again you better hope for a weak foe.

Quest 4) They are not item reliant nor do they have a lot of items just for them.

Free deck yes, but it's not the 'just fine' for the quests. Hell I'm surprised they even let Berserkers into this event.

Stack magic and direct damage,, , the claws and crown set. Ice elves can still OTK, so long as they don't run into nehantic blast.

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But it's all good. I just don't want to see any complaints if/when I finish my Courtier deck. (Lightning pirates:Dead, Master mage pilk:Dead, Nehantic blast:Dead, Deck completion? 80%)

Just curious what cards do a nehantic blast deck have?

Fast blast:Almaria ,Zejabel,Nehantic Receptacle
Corruption spam: Dimizar, Amidaraxar, Nehantic Receptacle
Fast blast
3 Magic Sensitivity
3 Vital Siphon
3 Overconfidence
3 Nehantic hold
3 Entrophy
2 Nehantic Sign
(optional)2 Mental control
1 Desolation of the heart
1 Mastery
1 The other side of the coin
1 Break the second chain
1 The Hungry Void
1 Prestige
Corruption spam:
3 My name is legion
3 Vital Siphon
3 Magic sensitivty
3 Nehantic hold
3 Overconfidence
2 Nehantic sign
1 The other side of the coin
1 mastery
1 Break the second chain
1 Machiavellism

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Almaria and Zejabel are the most efficient because their damage reduction makes them tanks(Nehantic sign is +1 unconditional damage reduction). Magic Sensitivity +Vital siphon is base damage 6. Overconfidence debuffs and deals damage, adds to vital siphon. Almaria can discard a card at the beginning of her turn, allowing some silly interactions with entropy. Entropy can recycle corruptions quickly, so if something dies from Vital Siphon or Nehantic Hold corruptions can quickly repopulate the field. Receptacle can play nehantic hold from his hand, (-2 Spirit for 2 turns, Sensitivity+Siphon turn after is guaranteed heals)and almaria can discard it to play with entropy.
Magic Sensitivity+Overconfidence
Break the second chain+ Tosotc/Mastery
(receptacle) The other side of the coin+Mastery+ Vital Siphon/Overconfidence/Nehantic Hold
Average score from a winning game is 75-100, rare cases of points reaching 200(Immortals/priests etc)
Average Elo of the ones I've faced, Nehant and pilkim, were in the low to mid 1700s

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