You wouldn't be able to out damage them. They use and boost Utkin's passive with . Scourge can tank thanks to .

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I dont have a plan on boosting out my attack points just kill them with direct attack, if you know how to chain dagger zil, then you can manage to do Dagger mastery lvl 3 damage to 10, or juggle damage to 20 on a single character.

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You're left with Mask of the murderer, and 2 daggers at drawn, then you don't draw for 6 turns. How do you win again?

First play:Mask of the Murderer=+2 to damage dealt (+3 because saphyra is the only one who can do it)+ Daggers at drawn=1 dagger +dagger mastery from deck
Second Play:Daggers at drawn(1 dagger)+Dagger mastery

Cutting all ties spam can start as early as turn 1. The entire point of stopping draws is to kill off the opposing characters that pose an actual threat before their opponent can use their strategies.
+2 damage stays only if mask of the murderer wasn't your first play, They're not known for OTK.
2 daggers +1 dagger mastery 3 w mask of the murderer =7 damage, 9 if you have the guts to try to get Dancing Blade to do it, which would only be usable turn 5, meaning she'd have to go turn 2 for that combo to work, and 10 only if your Saphyra survived that long. But you'd only be able to chain with saphyra the Zil (second daggers at drawn +Dagger master) and she's likely dead by t4 because she's the pillar of any zilrauder she's in, thus a priority target.
After the first dagger master you'd have 0 daggers on the field, good luck.

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like I told you if you know to chain dagger zil on the right turn you can dealt 10 damage on dagger mastery lvl 3.

its not like all the time no hand means there's no chance..

from kotoba turn if your able to equip 2 , and turn 2 and 4 belongs to you and you have in your build it would be nice.

from noz if you got at least 2 illumination and have 2 ~ 3 in deck.

from nehant, play on his next characters

no hand still doesn't mean you don't have a chance. build a deck that can with stand or counter no hand decks, limit decks, or counter decks... its not like they are always around.

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I'm not complaining about them,(I own 90% of the cards nonsalable actually) only discussing their strategy points. Personally I can OTK at least 1 of their characters with 80% of the combos my deck has (especially shadow) breaking the cutting all ties spam.
The only hard counter I can think of for them that fits in every deck is .

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No matter the game, being denied play is not fun. "Hi let's play. Now sit there for 6 turns while I win."

Yugioh, MtG, any card game; deck and hand denial is a pain to face.

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It is, but it's also a sparsely played strategy in every one of those games,and in the other games, you don't draw until you have a full hand every turn, so Denial in Eredan is pretty much the strongest control type next to circus/Ishaia discard/mill. Remember, it's only viable in Amnezy, where everything else but althing can run around as well, denial is probably the cheapest deck you can reach 1600 with without legendary cards, and there are counters for it in several deck types.
The thing is, like with most mid-High teir decks in eredan, there are very few specific styles of play and deck types that can directly counter it, I don't see them making it to the top anytime soon, so I doubt any of their cards are going to get banned/rebalanced considering the Amnezy and PvP rooms are pretty much the "Broken" rooms Feerik has given up on, hence the focus on standard.
The problem with standard is a whole different issue at this point though.

Control decks are always a pain to face, but rarely do they win tournaments, or break the game in a way that is completely unstoppable (though to 95% of the community, it may seem so)

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Still haven't seen a hand deny in amnezy...
Third or fourth time I've run into this thing though.


Not seen: Hit by love.
Cards likely in his hand
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Spoils of war took dissidence back from his discard pile -_-
first turn Candy on mylad, then Dissidence on mylad, then hit by love on Mylad, then dissidence on izandra t10 (double Arachnophobia)
It's the anubis lookin fella(that reduces max Hp 1,3,6,10) and sol'ra avatar that are dead btw. Dude was taking forever with his decisions and had to mill his whole hand to get the cards he needed after turn 8.

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Those things are definitely hard to kill.

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Eh, it could have been worse, Diplomatic Message made sure he was the only one Sol'Ra was melting. I need to add that courtier jewel that smacks thuergy just for them, at least until I get me a Sentence and start kicking some teeth in.

Amber pebble= Vital Siphon remover :3

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