Merlin, you are unreasonable. I will claim that there is not a single TCG card game where those who spend money on the game have as much chance as someone who hasn't spent money.

Better cards cost more, because of supply and demand. Cards that cost more will be unavailable to those who don't pay. Therefore, those who pay will trump those who don't. This is undeniable in any game that has an player-agreed section of "desired" things, and "undesired" things. Sorry, but that is the truth.

You said that a little backward, but that isn't the point he's trying to make. Basic is supposed to be the stamping grounds for newer (or poorer) players. Basic, in it's own right, isn't doing what it's purpose for creation was:Giving a simplistic space for new players to learn the game and sample playstyles before going into standard/amnezy. I'm sure he is aware that paying players are privileged, as they rightfully should be, but that's not the issue being discussed.

The card lot is very lopsided toward certain guilds, and other character castes and archtypes are either unsupported in standard, or completely unknown to the basic audience. Players who invest time, or even money, actually especially real money, into the wrong archtype, (or get a starter deck that doesn't cater to said archtype) will fall into a pit where none of the cards they've worked for or purchased can be used in standard to any decent or encouraging outcome.

His issue, one I personally understand, is that there are only 3 truly playable decks in basic, not because of their price (which, aside from void/ans was never mentioned) but because the cards available give them a handicap that no amount of skill could overcome. That, and the castes such as tracker, and temple guardian, as well as dagger zil, have no support in standard, leaving no room for transition into higher levels of play, investing into a deck that isn't the big 3 in basic means that you'll have to start from nothing to play standard.
Witchblades have spells, which only get better in transition to standard(though not competetive)
Zil discard/blast hybrid has Favor of the Night and Night vision, as well as a general outline of how to play discard/shadowmages, which makes focusing on them an easy transition into standard (Competitive)
The Nomads have 2 Eclipse character, and the nomad/eclipse cards available outline how eclipse works, which makes focusing on them an easy transition into standard(2nd tier)
Sap strikers play as their first gen full deck used to, skill set is transferable to standard
Kotoba warriors from basic almost lose out to Crowtoba completely, the skill sets associated with them aren't transferable
Trackers get rolled in basic, and do not exist in standard, skill set non-transferable
The problem here is, it is unbalanced guild wise, and in many cases a transition into standard requires you start from scratch and use a completely different playstyle, instead of investing money and time into what you've learned thus far into progressing to the next level.
An uninformed player could easily invest in an (un)der supported type, which turns a transition from basic to standard/free to paying, into a larger endeavor than it should be.
The entire meaning of the basic tournament was to create an environment where players can learn the play styles and actually involve themselves into the game, which makes the pay-to-play gap more reasonable and understandable, instead it can lead to several proverbial "dead-ends" in terms of style and strategy, which can be major turn offs against the game.

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I never claimed that paying players shouldn't get an advantage. I'm claiming they threw in cards with little rhyme or reason into this 'Basic' format. Too many weak cards, and too many high cost/high power cards. However;



Their words. Not mine. How is this Accessible to new players? How will they have fun when all the paying players already have their uber decks set up? How is having 3 decks be winners 'easy to handle'? Okay that last part I guess I can get. "Hey players, buy one of these 3 and you'll do well" rather than trying out decks.

For something that was supposed to ease new players into tournaments, Basic fails at that. If I'm being unreasonable for calling Feerik out on the very thing they wanted to do, then fine, I'm unreasonable.

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Idk what the deal is with Trackers doing bad. I have a basic tracker deck, and it works great for me...it's easy to anti meta with them, and they are very cost efficient....

I honestly think that just putting a level restriction on the basic format is enough. Only limiting certain things to a particular format for the public will cause prices to flux, meaning that no matter what free players won't afford the card.

I don't see how Trackers are 'anti' meta. Witchblades do more damage and have more defenese, Demons hit harder, and it's hard to counter Discard with really anything unless you have New Start. Oh wait everyone should have that cause it's Basic!

And to borrow ideas from Schrei, great. You've somehow made a Tracker deck work in Basic. You feel good and ready to try Standard. Wait, why don't Trackers have more cards to pick from? One new character is about all the upgrade they get going from Basic to Standard. I say that because any unaligned marauder cards you might pick up can be used just as well if not better, by Crows. So yes you have a deck that does decent in Basic, but really you would be better served in the long run by making a different deck.

Also about Free players no being able to afford the card, again Feerik wanted Basic to be an area for New players. Who tend to be free players at first. But with how Basic is set up, they are basically Forced to pay. How is that helping the new players at all?

My largest complaint with basic is the card selection to it. Only reasoning I see is taking the Basic buyable decks (10k yeah that's easy to get to for new players) and then...., I don't know. Selecting cards by throwing darts at a wall?

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lol, if 10k is supposed to be too much for new player, even basic isn't for them...

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Glad to see you're still around skadooosh and that we still have different beliefs in pricing.

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no problem, I'm glad to help.
If anyone wants to build any deck, he has to put a lot more than 10k, building something that has more than 10% win for less than 50k seems almost impossible to me...

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Understandable. But, Basic. Format made to help new players enter the game. I would have assumed that they would put cheaper more affordable cards into this format.

Granted with the player controlled market, those cheap cards probably wouldn't be cheap for long. Thank you Market.

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My trackers hover in the 50k cx category....

It is EASY to anti-meta with them. Vs WBs: zazaram's eye. Vs Nomad: steel body. Vs Elfines: Steel body. Vs. Zil Mages: id rely a bit on luck. Vs demons: you outdamage them as long as you can get your shuriken by turn 2. If you don't see many WBs: tracker mask. If you see a bunch of mages: Trackers emblem, art of tracking. In basic, you can do so much with them....

If they have enough crystals to get into standard (which they won't unless they buy some feez), they can sell off their trackers if they want to. Or they might get updated. In fact, this week's trophy (Burglary) greatly helps them as well...

For me, the fact is that I win with my tracker deck at over a 60-40 or higher rate, and it proves that they work.